Myron shows us what is wrong with the Neanders “get tough on crime” ideology

Myron admits to his ignorance - and goes on to display it

(emphasis mine)
Myron Thompson (CPC): I have a difficult time debating with lawyers at the best of times because I am not one. They seem to use legal jargon to a great extent and I just cannot comprehend a lot of it. I quite often hear about reports from a person by the name of Nunn and other reports from the member and other members of her party, usually concerning the legal aspects...They like to hear the points of view of the legal beagles and they need to change their attitude.

Myron certainly does not have a high respect for the role of legal experts in shaping crime legislation. Shape crime bills but trivialize and minimize input from legal experts? There’s problem number one.

I also have a hard time understanding when the Liberals talk about prevention. There is no one who wants to see crime prevented more than me. It may not come across that way and I will have to do a little better job of communicating that maybe, but I do not understand it when members say we should get to the cause of crime.

“Not understand why we should get to the cause of crime.” That’s because, Myron, you are a fucking sociopath. That whole level of needing to develop social conscience in very young children, and continuing to help it develop until they become adults does not exist in your understanding of how human being develop, and why some turn out violent while others do not. You see, Myron, you would have to have a social conscience yourself to understand this.

Without a doubt, one of the biggest causes of crime are drugs and alcohol, particularly alcohol. How does alcohol get into the hands of young people under the age of 18? It is against the law. When is the last time we have heard of anybody being arrested or charged for providing liquor to a minor? When is the last time we saw police break up a block party or a house party that was full of booze and people under the age of 18?

Poor, poor Myron! How you must torture yourself at night wondering why these little bastards don’t just obey the law! You are asking the wrong questions, that’s why. It isn’t how the alcohol is getting into kids’ hands that is the most critical problem to solve, but why the kids choose to drink in the first place. That, you soulless pomposity, is a question dealing with prevention. If they are going to get alcohol, they already have the mind-set to commit a crime. Prevention is discouraging that mindset ever to develop and encouraging the desire to live as a socially responsible person.

When it is mentioned in committee or to witnesses that it is a major cause and ask what we are going to do about it, the Liberals do not want to go there. They want to talk about poverty being a major cause. I guess they do not realize that rich kids get into trouble as well. There are excuses for avoiding the real causes of crime and our penitentiaries are full of adults for the very same reasons.

You just don’t get it. Poverty, over crowding, exposure to violent media, a society that encourages the ridiculous accumulation of possessions but closes down literacy programs and fails to fund higher learning - these things lead to an ignorant, selfish, and very frustrated youth. So does cutting women’s programs which would enable better parenting and relieve some of the poverty.

I do not use the word “sociopath” lightly. This a common perception among many CONs - that prevention means stopping the actual crime shortly before it is committed, assuming we are all potential criminals and that fear of being punished by harsh laws is the only thing holding us back. That is in part because many of them hold to the old Judeo-Christian attitude of reward and punishment as main motivators for committing good acts. In reality, that, if offered alone in our justice system, encourages the type of sociopathic behaviour associated to youth crimes, and eventually, adult crimes because the underlying assumption is punishment delivered by the law is the only real consequence. If that punishment can be avoided, then there is little motivation to avoid the crime.

Early childhood development, choices offered in activities as a child grows, more time with reasonably educated parents, not struggling every day with poverty - these are some of the ways a child can develop and maintain a social conscience and sense of social responsibility. The CONs generally don’t seem to understand that part because they have been taught the reward and punishment system, a system that seeks to legislate and force decent, moral behaviour rather than develop the tendencies in children.

Frank Frink wins

I predicted John Baird was most likely to stuff a pickle stabbing size 9 Boulet Cowboy Boot in his mouth and embarass the hell out of Stever.

FF said it would be Myron Thompson. How does that Alberta Boot leather taste Myron? Care for a little BBQ sauce?

At least he admitted he's got an ignorant opinion, sort of.

Dave at the Galloping Beaver

Nailed it this past Monday evening, in four short paragraphs.

You know, the problem with any government that promotes a "law and order" agenda is that they originate it from the eyes of policing. Justice never enters the picture.

So rather than re-post the other three paragraphs here, go read it now.

p2p, this is one speculative 'bet' I can't say that I'm happy to have won (because I would be more than glad have 'Angry John' embarrass himself and the 'Nort Star' for perpetuity). I believe Myron's already indicated he won't be running for re-election, but nice to see the 'true face of Reform' showing itself once again.

(and they try to tell us there's no 'hidden agenda')

ps - p2p. Mackay will be the next one. 

Everything's cheaper than it looks.

Love the tail dragging romp

Mike Harris, believe it or not, gave the go ahead for a new university which eventually became the University of Ontario Institute of Technology. I fully believe the conservatives had intended to establish a right-wing university. The original proposal was to create a university that would exclude a faculty association, eliminate tenure, and focus study on a few areas such as nuclear energy, manufacturing, and policing.

Fortunately the university has evolved into something quite different. In the Faculty of Criminology, Justice and Policy Studies the scholars are pursuing issues such as:

Dr. Hannah Scott:Her current interests are in the areas of victimology, gender issues, homicide, criminological theory and statistics. She also has a keen interest in Crime Prevention Through Environmental Design (CPTED) and Organized Crime. She has published in a number of academic journals on subjects including sexual assault among Aboriginal and non-Aboriginal peoples, violence by males, and women's fear of crime. Her book, entitled The Female Serial Murderer: A Sociological Study of Homicide and the 'Gentler Sex' was published by Mellen Press in December 2005. She is currently Co-Principal Investigator seeking to understand the plight of homelessness in Durham Region with a generous grant from the National Homelessness Initiative. She is also updating and developing a new series of films for the latest version of SPSS. Here new areas of interest include the functionality of psycholopathic traits.

Dr. Wesley Crichlow:His research interests are on mediation, race, gender, power and cultural differences; youth restorative justice; Black youth gang violence; social inequality; theoretical and legal approaches to the study of race; human rights; LGBT rights; racial profiling; moral regulation; new immigrant employment and accreditation training; judicial reform; and section 15 criminal law charter challenges.

Dr. Walter DeKeseredy ...has published over 60 refereed journal articles and scores of book chapters on woman abuse, crime in public housing, and criminological theory. He is also the author of Woman Abuse in Dating Relationships: The Role of Male Peer Support and Women, Crime and the Canadian Criminal Justice System; with Barbara Perry, co-editor of Advancing Critical Criminology: Theory and Application; with Barbara Perry; with Ron Hinch, coauthor of Woman Abuse: Sociological Perspectives; with Desmond Ellis, coauthor of the second edition of The Wrong Stuff: An Introduction to the Sociological Study of Deviance; with Martin Schwartz, coauthor of Contemporary Criminology, Sexual Assault on the College Campus: The Role of Male Peer Support, and Woman Abuse on Campus: Results from the Canadian National Survey; with Linda MacLeod, Woman Abuse: A Sociological Story; with Shahid Alvi and Desmond Ellis, Contemporary Social Problems in North American Society; with Shahid Alvi, Martin Schwartz and E. Andreas Tomaszewski, Under Siege: Poverty and Crime in a Public Housing Community and with Desmond Ellis and Shahid Alvi, Deviance and Crime: Theory, Research and Policy. In 2004, he jointly (with Martin D. Schwartz) received the Distinguished Scholar Award from the American Society of Criminology's (ASC) Division on Women and Crime and in 1995, he received the Critical Criminologist of the Year Award from the ASC's Division on Critical Criminology. In 1993, he received Carleton University's Research Achievement Award. Funded by the National Institute of Justice, DeKeseredy is currently writing papers and co-authoring a book for Rutgers University Press based on his exploratory study of sexual assault during and after separation/divorce in three rural Ohio communities. DeKeseredy is also the recent co-recipient of a Social Science and Humanities Research Council of Canada grant to study hate crime on a Canadian university campus.

I could go on but you get the idea. We need good policing but you and the Beave know a lot more about the way things should work than cowboy Myron, or Mike Harris, who think the simple solution to all our problems is to "lock 'em up".

ps You're on. I pick Baird again.

900 ft

pardon my bad manners. Your post is a timely reminder of what every thinking person is up against. The closed mind.

So Myron thinks it is all about youth getting drunk. How does a guy get to be his age and place in society without thinking? I really wish I knew because it might help me understand how GWB became "leader of the free world" without actually, you know, going anywhere outside the USA.

Well Done.

Isn't she awesome?

We're fortunate to have 900ft J. posting here.

Myron....

And his ilk would have us return to the old west days. FRONTIER JUSTICE!...
I hate to tell him but they had a special treatment for Horse thieves and carpetbaggers. He wouldn't survive long....

Powers that be, powers of three, keep me strong during this insanity......

The new RCMP outfits

Judge Steve, North Star detachment

“Everyone talks about the weather, but no one ever does
anything about it.” Mark Twain

Policing comments and The Galloping Beaver

concise, graceful, dead on, beautiful as always! Thanks, F-F.

Bill C-25 Changes to the Youth Criminal Justice Act

is a very important act since it should address prevention, and that's at the core of preventing crime. Liberal Raymond Chan said in the House yesterday that: "(Liberal) effort to fight crime was focused on a three-pronged approach: crime prevention, tough sentencing and an increase in enforcement."

Whether they had any success or not, those three approaches are key to lowering crime. Larry Bagnell (Yukon Lib.) brought out the lack of law enforcement personnel, despite CPC promises to increase RCMP by 1,000. No increase yet. But crime prevention is misunderstood, and neglected.

As Nicole Demers (Bloc) said: "We must absolutely ensure that we know why the crime was committed." Of course. If we don't understand motivation and why social conscience isn't deterring some people, we can put systems in place to reduce the inclination to commit crime

Comment viewing options

Select your preferred way to display the comments and click "Save settings" to activate your changes.