Myron shows us what is wrong with the Neanders “get tough on crime” ideology
Myron admits to his ignorance - and goes on to display it
(emphasis mine)
Myron Thompson (CPC): I have a difficult time debating with lawyers at the best of times because I am not one. They seem to use legal jargon to a great extent and I just cannot comprehend a lot of it. I quite often hear about reports from a person by the name of Nunn and other reports from the member and other members of her party, usually concerning the legal aspects...They like to hear the points of view of the legal beagles and they need to change their attitude.
Myron certainly does not have a high respect for the role of legal experts in shaping crime legislation. Shape crime bills but trivialize and minimize input from legal experts? There’s problem number one.
I also have a hard time understanding when the Liberals talk about prevention. There is no one who wants to see crime prevented more than me. It may not come across that way and I will have to do a little better job of communicating that maybe, but I do not understand it when members say we should get to the cause of crime.
“Not understand why we should get to the cause of crime.” That’s because, Myron, you are a fucking sociopath. That whole level of needing to develop social conscience in very young children, and continuing to help it develop until they become adults does not exist in your understanding of how human being develop, and why some turn out violent while others do not. You see, Myron, you would have to have a social conscience yourself to understand this.
Without a doubt, one of the biggest causes of crime are drugs and alcohol, particularly alcohol. How does alcohol get into the hands of young people under the age of 18? It is against the law. When is the last time we have heard of anybody being arrested or charged for providing liquor to a minor? When is the last time we saw police break up a block party or a house party that was full of booze and people under the age of 18?
Poor, poor Myron! How you must torture yourself at night wondering why these little bastards don’t just obey the law! You are asking the wrong questions, that’s why. It isn’t how the alcohol is getting into kids’ hands that is the most critical problem to solve, but why the kids choose to drink in the first place. That, you soulless pomposity, is a question dealing with prevention. If they are going to get alcohol, they already have the mind-set to commit a crime. Prevention is discouraging that mindset ever to develop and encouraging the desire to live as a socially responsible person.
When it is mentioned in committee or to witnesses that it is a major cause and ask what we are going to do about it, the Liberals do not want to go there. They want to talk about poverty being a major cause. I guess they do not realize that rich kids get into trouble as well. There are excuses for avoiding the real causes of crime and our penitentiaries are full of adults for the very same reasons.
You just don’t get it. Poverty, over crowding, exposure to violent media, a society that encourages the ridiculous accumulation of possessions but closes down literacy programs and fails to fund higher learning - these things lead to an ignorant, selfish, and very frustrated youth. So does cutting women’s programs which would enable better parenting and relieve some of the poverty.
I do not use the word “sociopath” lightly. This a common perception among many CONs - that prevention means stopping the actual crime shortly before it is committed, assuming we are all potential criminals and that fear of being punished by harsh laws is the only thing holding us back. That is in part because many of them hold to the old Judeo-Christian attitude of reward and punishment as main motivators for committing good acts. In reality, that, if offered alone in our justice system, encourages the type of sociopathic behaviour associated to youth crimes, and eventually, adult crimes because the underlying assumption is punishment delivered by the law is the only real consequence. If that punishment can be avoided, then there is little motivation to avoid the crime.
Early childhood development, choices offered in activities as a child grows, more time with reasonably educated parents, not struggling every day with poverty - these are some of the ways a child can develop and maintain a social conscience and sense of social responsibility. The CONs generally don’t seem to understand that part because they have been taught the reward and punishment system, a system that seeks to legislate and force decent, moral behaviour rather than develop the tendencies in children.
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Frank Frink wins
I predicted John Baird was most likely to stuff a pickle stabbing size 9 Boulet Cowboy Boot in his mouth and embarass the hell out of Stever.
FF said it would be Myron Thompson. How does that Alberta Boot leather taste Myron? Care for a little BBQ sauce?
At least he admitted he's got an ignorant opinion, sort of.
Dave at the Galloping Beaver
Nailed it this past Monday evening, in four short paragraphs.
So rather than re-post the other three paragraphs here, go read it now.
p2p, this is one speculative 'bet' I can't say that I'm happy to have won (because I would be more than glad have 'Angry John' embarrass himself and the 'Nort Star' for perpetuity). I believe Myron's already indicated he won't be running for re-election, but nice to see the 'true face of Reform' showing itself once again.
(and they try to tell us there's no 'hidden agenda')
ps - p2p. Mackay will be the next one.
Everything's cheaper than it looks.
Love the tail dragging romp
Mike Harris, believe it or not, gave the go ahead for a new university which eventually became the University of Ontario Institute of Technology. I fully believe the conservatives had intended to establish a right-wing university. The original proposal was to create a university that would exclude a faculty association, eliminate tenure, and focus study on a few areas such as nuclear energy, manufacturing, and policing.
Fortunately the university has evolved into something quite different. In the Faculty of Criminology, Justice and Policy Studies the scholars are pursuing issues such as:
I could go on but you get the idea. We need good policing but you and the Beave know a lot more about the way things should work than cowboy Myron, or Mike Harris, who think the simple solution to all our problems is to "lock 'em up".
ps You're on. I pick Baird again.
900 ft
pardon my bad manners. Your post is a timely reminder of what every thinking person is up against. The closed mind.
So Myron thinks it is all about youth getting drunk. How does a guy get to be his age and place in society without thinking? I really wish I knew because it might help me understand how GWB became "leader of the free world" without actually, you know, going anywhere outside the USA.
Well Done.
Isn't she awesome?
We're fortunate to have 900ft J. posting here.
Myron....
And his ilk would have us return to the old west days. FRONTIER JUSTICE!...
I hate to tell him but they had a special treatment for Horse thieves and carpetbaggers. He wouldn't survive long....
Powers that be, powers of three, keep me strong during this insanity......
The new RCMP outfits
Judge Steve, North Star detachment
“Everyone talks about the weather, but no one ever does
anything about it.” Mark Twain
Policing comments and The Galloping Beaver
concise, graceful, dead on, beautiful as always! Thanks, F-F.
Bill C-25 Changes to the Youth Criminal Justice Act
is a very important act since it should address prevention, and that's at the core of preventing crime. Liberal Raymond Chan said in the House yesterday that: "(Liberal) effort to fight crime was focused on a three-pronged approach: crime prevention, tough sentencing and an increase in enforcement."
Whether they had any success or not, those three approaches are key to lowering crime. Larry Bagnell (Yukon Lib.) brought out the lack of law enforcement personnel, despite CPC promises to increase RCMP by 1,000. No increase yet. But crime prevention is misunderstood, and neglected.
As Nicole Demers (Bloc) said: "We must absolutely ensure that we know why the crime was committed." Of course. If we don't understand motivation and why social conscience isn't deterring some people, we can put systems in place to reduce the inclination to commit crime