Why am I permitted ....

...to donate blood.

For a number of reasons. I haven't lived for six months in England or France since 1980 ( vCJD risk ). I haven't given money or drugs for sex ( HIV risk ). I haven't had sex with someone I don't know the sexual history of - ie: hookers ( HIV risk ). I have not used a needle to inject drugs ( HIV risk ). I have never been to Chad or a number of other African nations ( HIV risk ). I have never had a job or a hobby where I handled or cared for monkeys ( God only knows what risk )

Oh yeah, and I haven't had sex with a man, even once, since 1977.

I know these things permit me to donate because I have donated for 30 plus years. That puts me in a group and a sub-group - the group is comprised of about half of the adult population of Canada that is not excluded from donating blood. The sub-group is the three percent of eligible people that do donate.


The issue that has had some attention recently
is the exclusion from donating of "men who've had sex with men, even once or protected, since 1977".

The charge is that this is discriminatory to gays. And it is.

CBC backgrounder on the safety of the Canadian blood supply.

The 'gays giving blood' issue is not new. This is an article ( pdf ) from the Canadian Medical Association Journal from back in 1997.

I am not looking to be politically correct and cry discrimination at the drop of a hat. I think a safe blood supply is an essential thing and good science coupled with minimizing risks is the way to ensure it.

HIV antibodies can be "detected from around three months after infection." All donated blood in Canada is screened for HIV, regardless of who donates it or what the donor may or may not say in the screening process. So the screening process only needs to catch people that have engaged in risky behavior in the past, to be safe, year.

The screening question currently excludes anyone who has had 'man on man' sex. If it were changed to exclude only those that had had that activity in the past year it would be a step in the right direction. Even that change would still exclude gays that were in a monogamous relationship. The question about knowing your partner's sexual history would cover that. The questions can be worded so there is no discrimination against people, only exclusion of donors engaged in risky activities during a limited recent time frame.

Saying things like "People do not have a right to donate blood." is a red herring. They have a right to not be unfairly excluded from an activity that people can choose to do.

Canadian Blood Services said it's reliant on student donations. "We are very dependent on being able to do blood donor clinics in universities," said Dr. Margaret Fearon, executive director of medical microbiology at the blood agency.
She said students are mistaken to see the policy as a gay rights issue.
"People who receive blood have a right to safe blood. People do not have a right to donate blood. It's a privilege, really."

I must mention that there is an 'out' in the blood donor program. If a person is being pressured to give blood or is unwilling, for whatever reason, to disclose that he or she may be in a risk group they can anonymously indicate that their blood shouldn't be used. You have to, in private, place one of two indistinguishable, bar-coded stickers on your paperwork. One indicates to use the blood, the other to not use the blood. If one uses this out no one is the wiser and the blood supply is safe.

So lets say the screening is changed, loosened if you will. Gay men could now donate if they meet the one relevant criteria - no sex, in the last year, with anyone that you don't know the sexual history of. Does this introduce more risk into the blood supply ? Perhaps marginally. How ? The donor can lie. 'Course anyone can lie at any time. So that's not that relevant to the gay blood donor situation. I would think there is as much risk in the pool from hetro guys that are fooling around or visiting hookers and not disclosing their activities in the screening booth. I can only hope that they are picking the correct sticker so that the blood supply stays safe.

The other risk that conceivably can be increased has to do with the problem of 'false-negative' test results. False-negative is a problem with any test. It means that a sample may have the virus but return a test result that says it does not contain the virus. That risk is very small in current HIV tests. As in the other risk I mentioned I am sure there are hetro blood samples that slip through on the false-negative problem.

Wiki

false-negative rates of 0.003% in the general population

British Medical Journal

The commercial kit had a sensitivity of 99.2%

HIV InSite - UCSF Center for HIV Information. Copyright 2008, Regents of the University of California.

False negatives do happen but are rare. The most common test used for HIV screening is the ELISA test. It has what is called a sensitivity of anywhere from 99.5% to 99.9% depending on the test used. This means that, in a sample of 1,000 specimens with HIV, HIV will be missed in 5 cases (99.5% sensitivity) or 1 case (99.9% sensitivity).

False-negatives are so rare as not to be a factor and the inaccuracy applies to both hetro and gay blood. Not a factor that can support discrimination.

The wording of the questions is a holdover from the time when testing for the HIV virus was not available and / or not as accurate. The discrimination will continue because the general public is not sufficiently knowledgeable about the risk of HIV transmission, other aspects of blood donation screening procedures and testing accuracy.

There is almost no downside to ending the discrimination. Curiously there is almost no upside either, outside of doing the right thing - that being ending the discrimination. The pool of eligible donors will not increase much. The pool is not tapped that much at the present time - as I noted only 3 % of eligible donors donate. There is a constant demand for blood that is being meet but not exceeded. Donors need to be recruited early so they become lifelong donors. I would hazard a guess that most people who have not given blood before they are thirty don't ever give blood. Recruiting older donors might be a good tactic for Canadian Blood Services.

Roll up your sleeve, eh ! It's in you to give.

I have to apologize for not including how this issue affects the lesbian community. I did not research that aspect.

I'll give a nod to Saskboy where I first saw mention of the issue.

Thanks for reading. I am off to sign up for a womens only Aquacise class. Maybe I will see a discrimination hat dropping there ;-)

I don't think

that anyone who has had unprotected sex (outside of a monogamous relationship) in the last several years should be able to give blood, gay or straight.

A close family member was given tainted blood, the stuff that Canadian Blood Services was buying from the Arkansas prison system. Luckily it was only contaminated with Hep C, not HIV.

If I had been engaging in risky sexual behaviour, I wouldn't want to give blood on the chance that it could infect someone with something I didn't even know I had.

P.S. Thanks for posting, Willy!  Always great to read you around here.  

Glad to ....

... put up a little something to ponder about. I don't think many, outside of the universities, are pushing to get the screening procedure changed.

The first point you make is the current situation regarding heterosexual situations. 'Course the only way the info is gathered is by the donor admitting to the practice.

I think your third point is the way most everyone feels. As there is no monetary benefit to donating blood people don't give if they themselves think there could be a problem with their blood.

If eligibility is opened up to the gay community there will be more reliance on the blood testing aspect of the procedure. It looks like the tests are accurate and reliable enough.

Sorry to hear about the family member involvement with tainted blood. I came across mention of the Arkansas connection while googling for this piece. It is oh so easy for things to go wrong.

Crickets ... in this journal anyway

I understand. It's a subject where one feels that the discrimination is justified and a person is actually glad that it happens. But one knows that it is discrimination and can't feel good about it.

Undoubtedly there is a slightly higher risk to the blood supply by allowing gay men to donate, even under the restrictions and precautions that I have outlined. A slightly higher risk ... almost, but not quite, so small a higher risk that it can't even be measured. But if the discrimination continues it reinforces the notion that AIDS is a gay disease.

In another development indications are that the current practice of banning gays from being organ donors is going to be "formalized into legislation". Two stories - Regina Leader-Post and Edmonton Sun.

federally imposed restrictions, which include a ban on organ donations from gay men who have been sexually active in the past five years.

Five years is an arbitrary number. It is better than the " even once, since 1977 " ban that is the current position regarding blood donations. However, it again, is no absolute guarantee of safety. There is a way to not have a needed organ go to waste.

doctors can override the regulations by using healthy organs from a person who falls in one of the categories considered to be higher risk if that is deemed to be the best course, just as before.

Truth is, I can be on board with this restriction. The reason I am on board is that the organ donor, at the time that his organs can be donated, is dead. He or she can not be interviewed and answer questions. Information about his or her recent sexual practices can only be gleaned from their partners, families or friends. It goes without saying that there is a lot of stress at this time and also a time pressure to go ahead with the organ collection. Testing for HIV can take too long when the push is on to transplant.

There is a large need for donated organs but in this case erring on the side of caution is agreeable to me.

asdf

I think the same could be said for anyone donating organs. How is one to really know whether or not the donor had unprotected sex with any partner, gay or straight, in the last five years and has not been tested? Can you tell if a corpse is gay? And yes, I know I'm asking the right person. ;-)

That's the nub of it

No one can know, absolutely, what you have been up too. They can only ask you and hope that you tell the truth. The other option is to test and tests are fallible and don't discern a newly infected person.

The time pressures regarding organ donation and the fact that one person ain't sayin' nuthin' mean the risk has to be avoided.

As you say there is the same risk in the straight community. The undeniable truth is that a greater percentage of the gay community has and has been exposed to the HIV virus. Organ donation and blood donation are two different cats and should be handled differently, IMO.

As to what I know - I know this - dead men tell no tales, and rarely wear plaid ( obscure Steve Martin reference ) ;-)

And a GREAT

Film.....lol. Classic. FABULOUS editing. I have always been fascinated by that movie.
Im also a HUGE film noir fan....heh.

10 points for mentioning it here willy.


Powers that be, powers of three, keep me strong during this insanity......

That's a great...

...trailer. I have never seen the movie but it looks like I should. I didn't understand what you meant by 'great editing' - now I know. Not that I have seen more than a couple of the movies they are using in the edits. The last line of the clip is enough to get me watching.

" The people that brought you 'The Jerk' try to make it up to you. "

I commented

A couple days ago, and then the internet ate it. (with ketchup I assume)
My cable. blech. Never got around to redoing it. Sorry willy.

I dunno, we are getting to a time where results for many of these tests are getting pretty fast. So it may be a moot point soon. (I hope)
But since those who donate in Canada are not paid? (I don't think so anyway) I think the honesty factor may be higher. There are sociopaths tho, they want to infect others. sick bastids.

After some instances in hospital, I have been offered blood products a few times. (I'm one of those people who are prone to bleeding. Im a drama Queen.) I figure unless I'm at deaths door, its not worth the risk.
And now I'm mostly anemic, so I won't be donating anytime soon. lol.

Powers that be, powers of three, keep me strong during this insanity......

No problem

Stuff happens. One time, in grade six, the dog ate my homework ;-)

I often don't get back to comment as fast as I would like too. And it is arrogant of me to expect that anyone should respond to my musings.

The test results can be quite fast and they are very accurate I found out. You are right to think that no one is paid for blood donations, or organ donations as far as I know, in Canada.

I think the organ donation protocols are correct as they are and the blood donation process could use some tweaks. There are some sick bastids out there but I don't think they get into the donation game.

You are a good hand if you can bleed dramatically. All I can manage is profusely. Seriously, if you need blood, accept it. I have every confidence in the Canadian blood bank. Who knows, you might even get a piece of me.

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